Last week, we kicked off our Courageous Conversations series with a fresh look at building emotional confidence. This week, we lay the groundwork for how personality, emotional regulation, and awareness all play into navigating conversations that matter.

I sat down with Attia Qureshi—an expert in negotiation and persuasion—but what unfolds isn't just about getting what you want. It's about why we want what we want…and what's really driving us underneath it all.

Attia shares a moment of deep rejection from her childhood that led her to build what she calls an "exoskeleton" of strength. And as we talked, it became clear how many of us are still walking around with some version of that same armor—negotiating, relating, and even loving from a place of protection rather than connection.

We explored how that plays out in everyday life—how we handle conflict, how we ask for what we need, how we respond when we feel threatened or unseen. And what I appreciated most about Attia is that she doesn't just talk about tactics—she talks about transformation. About moving from control to curiosity. From winning to understanding. From guarding yourself…to actually showing up.

This is such an interesting topic that we invited Attia back for a second episode, where we go even deeper into her book Never Settle and unpack how her core negotiation strategies apply to each Enneagram type. Think of it as taking everything we talk about today and making it incredibly practical and personal for how you move through the world.

And to help you get started, Attia has put together a fantastic Negotiation by Enneagram Type cheat sheet you can grab at attiaqureshi.com/typology.

Pull up a chair. This one's going to get under the hood—in the best possible way.

This week, we're kicking off a multi-week series on how to have courageous conversations. We'll be digging into the foundations of emotional confidence, strategies for negotiation, and how to have difficult conversations.

Today, we're taking a fresh look at our conversation with Alicia Michelle to learn how to slow down your inner world and regulate your thoughts, your emotions, and your reactions before you ever step into a hard conversation.

We're talking about building emotional confidence. Not the loud, chest-thumping kind. I mean the quiet, grounded ability to stay present when things get uncomfortable…when the stakes are high, the emotions are rising, and every instinct in your body is telling you to either shut down or go on the attack.

Here's the truth: every meaningful relationship—at home, at work, in leadership—requires negotiation. Not just contracts and deals, but expectations, needs, boundaries, and repair. And if you don't have emotional confidence, those conversations can go sideways fast.

That's why today's guest, Alicia Michelle, is such a gift. She brings wisdom, honesty, and a kind of steady clarity that helps us see what's really happening underneath our reactions—and how to show up differently.

Because the goal isn't to win the conversation. It's to stay in it…with courage, curiosity, and just enough self-awareness to not blow the whole thing up.

So if you've been avoiding a conversation, replaying one that didn't go well, or gearing up for one you know is coming—this episode is for you.

Let's dive in.

What happens when the life you built—carefully, faithfully, and very publicly—splits down the middle in a single night?

This week on Typology, we're revisiting one of the most powerful conversations we've had on the show—a replay of my interview with bestselling author and cultural truth-teller Jen Hatmaker.

Jen, an Enneagram Three with a courageous edge that sometimes looks a lot like an Eight, joined me to talk about her memoir Awake and the "before-and-after date" that changed everything—July 11, 2020— when her 26-year marriage ended and the life she knew cracked wide open.

In this conversation, we explore what it means to wake up in midlife:

• to grief and betrayal,

• to shedding scripts you never consciously chose,

• to loosening your grip on approval,

• and to discovering what actually matters in the second half of life.

We also dig into how Threes navigate identity, success, and failure—especially when life refuses to follow the plan. Jen shares how therapy, embodiment work, and radical honesty helped her rebuild—not for optics, but for something sturdier and truer.

If you're in a season of change—or if life has recently pulled the rug out from under you—this episode still hits with the same quiet force. Think of it as a hand on your shoulder and a light for the next few steps.

ABOUT JEN HATMAKER

Jen Hatmaker is a bestselling author, award-winning podcaster, speaker, and fierce advocate for women living in freedom and agency. With 14 books—including four New York Times bestsellers—along with her beloved For the Love podcast, Jen Hatmaker Book Club, and more, she reaches millions with her signature mix of humor, vulnerability, and wisdom. Her newest book, AWAKE: A Memoir, (released on September 23, 2025), chronicles her raw, real-time journey through the shocking end of her 26-year marriage and surprising reinvention. She lives in a creaky old farmhouse, loves 90s country, and drinks Almond Joy creamer like it's a personality trait. Find her at JenHatmaker.com.